While top Democratic consultants debate the proper course of action for the party following President Joe Biden’s poor debate performance, many donors are skeptical of Vice President Kamala Harris’s appeal should she be tapped to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. 

The Democratic consultants spoke with top donors for the Democratic Party about the possibility of Harris taking on the role, according to a Semafor report. Former Bill Clinton aide James Carville spoke to dozens of donors to the Democratic Super PAC American Bridge, which is a large source for opposition research and campaigns against former President Donald Trump.

“Seventy-two percent of people want something different. Why not give it to them?” Carville said, adding that donors should stop donating to campaigns that do not take their side.

“What I would say is, if we don’t do something about this, I’m going to put you on call block on my cellphone,” he said to donors. 

Paul Begala, another former adviser to Clinton, acknowledged that swing voters are already well aware of Biden’s age, but may be less inclined to vote for Harris, who is unpopular.

“Kamala Harris is more threatening to those swing voters than a dead Joe Biden or a comatose Joe Biden,” Begala said. “So if Joe has to go, it’s gonna be Kamala and if it’s Kamala, it’s gonna be harder.”

Still, some Democrats view Harris as someone who can pull together parts of the Democratic coalition, notably black women and progressives, who are currently lacking in enthusiasm surrounding Biden’s candidacy. A recent CNN poll found 22% of voters currently have no opinion of the vice president, which could give her room to grow within the party and with independents.

Carville acknowledged the timing of Biden’s bad debate performance five months out from the election. He said it gives Democrats time to rethink and regroup before November. 

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“Maybe we look back on this thing and say, ‘This is the best thing that ever happened to us,’” he said. “If this would have happened to us on Oct. 5, we’d be more than bruised, screwed, and tattooed. Maybe this will set it into motion something different.

“And maybe the people on the Zoom call or maybe we’ll reconvene [on] Nov. 10 and say, ‘God damn man, this thing came together a lot better than we ever thought we would back on July 2,’” Carville said.