October 22, 2024 2:09 PM ET

Former Trump administration official Alyssa Farah Griffin suggested to star Jan. 6 investigation witness Cassidy Hutchinson that she leak to the media while the investigation was ongoing, texts obtained exclusively by the Daily Caller reveal.

Farah, a former Pentagon press secretary during the Trump administration, twice suggested to Hutchinson during active legal proceedings that she should give information to reporters. The pair also discussed ways to circumvent Hutchinson’s lawyer, Stefan Passantino, to communicate with former Republican Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney and the Jan. 6 committee, as first reported by Just The News.

“The alternative would be to just say fuck it and give it all to a reporter. Lol,” Farah texted Hutchinson after the latter asked if Cheney was still interested in working with her.

Shortly thereafter, in texts exclusively obtained by the Caller, Farah suggested that Hutchinson could coordinate with the committee to strategically leak some information to the press after testifying: “Btw, another idea.you could sit down and share it with the committee but then have the committee shares the big stuff you give them with press before your transcripts come out so it looks like it came from someone else.”

In later discussions, Hutchinson mentions that she is concerned with how to “reconfigure” her “reputation” within the media.

Passantino told the Caller he had no suspicions about such activity at the time and confirmed that he had never seen these specific messages between Hutchinson and Farah. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans Call Out Cassidy Hutchinson’s J6 Testimony, Threaten Subpoena If She Does Not Produce Documents)

“This is the first I am seeing of some of these texts, but everything here is consistent with what I have been saying publicly and alleging in the various lawsuits I have filed over the past 18 months. I am surprised and pleased to see the facts coming to light,” Passantino told the Caller. (RELATED: iPhone Screenshot Undermines Cassidy Hutchison’s Claim That She Never Dated Matt Gaetz)

Hutchinson began the conversation by asking about a previous discussion the two apparently had, and if Farah had “touched base” with anyone about it.

“Hey! Yes. So I reached out to Liz. She agreed to keep our convo totally confidential. She said she admires you, and could tell that you wanted to the right thing from your testimony. Her one concern was so long ad you have counsel, she can’t really ethically talk to you without him. But what she suggests is a follow up with you, with your lawyer thats he and Dan George can lead. Probably can do without other members and Tim Does that help at all? I can tell she really wants to work with you and is just tryin to figure out the right way to do it,” Farah responded.

“I mean, do you think this is actually of interest to her at this point or is it moot Like have they moved beyond it,” Hutchinson replied.

“Oh it’s very much of interest. She basically just wants to structure it in a way you are comfortable and wants to make sure it’s clear, if you speak to them again, it’s them asking, not you, so you don’t get in trouble with trump world,” Farah said. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans Demand Comms Between Cassidy Hutchinson, Fani Willis’ Office For J6 Investigation)

Hutchinson then described having trouble getting in touch with her attorney, before they discuss the prospect of leaking information to a reporter.

“My patience is razor thin,” Hutchinson said.

“Do you think your lawyer would drop you? I feel like you could represent yourself,” Farah asked.

“I never signed anything I asked several and he said it wasn’t necessary,that they had it taken care of So from a legal pov I’m not sure? But I’d assume??” Hutchinson responded.

“I just looked. I texted him Sunday morning to talk, he said he’d call that afternoon or Monday morning. That’s the last I heard from him despite following up every day since,” Hutchinson continued. “Am I overthinking this??”

“I’m sorry I’m not trying to be a nuisance,” she added.

Farah said she wanted Hutchinson to “be free” of the situation and proposed that she could potentially get immunity before sharing information with Cheney and the committee.

Hutchinson then asked if she may be asked to testify live.

“She was very clear they’d want to talk to you behind closed doors at least one more time before they’d put you up publicly,” Farah replied.

Hutchinson then asked if the committee would ask her to come back for more questioning, and claimed that Passantino would tell her to “go F myself” if she volunteered to do so.

“Ok that’s a good question. She was thinking she’d just ask you back for additional questions. But you probably don’t want them to go through Stefan? She is open to doing this anyway that’s like ethical/ legal,” Farah responded.

Farah went on to propose that her own lawyer may be willing to take on Hutchinson’s representation pro bono.

Days later, Hutchinson asked Farah to call her “asap” after she spoke to Passantino.

“dg called him Friday and asked about me coming in. Stephan gave me the weekend ‘to think on it’ He just said we will comply but he’s going to push back,” Hutchinson told Farah. “dg” seemingly refers to Dan George, a lawyer for the committee.

“Hmm ok. That was definitely at Liz’s direction. How do you feel about just doing it with Stefan but answering more questions? You can handle yourself and he’s just there as a figurehead,” Farah responded.

“And basically give ultimatum of a) we’ll come back but we need assurance she won’t be called in live (which I don’t think they’ll give) OR b) if you won’t give us an assurance, re-issue a subpoena,” Hutchinson said.

“He’s not against me complying. He’s actually sort of willing to do it be he thinks it builds my credibility as a witness. But he wants just enough from the committee to balance out the public backlash from the lawsuit and to frame me as super compliant/respectful of congressional subpoenas,” she continued.

“He’s going to call dan George this afternoon. Can you tip off Liz or Dan? And see their thoughts?,” Hutchinson asked Farah.

“I’m personally fine w just Liz and dan but I have a feeling he’ll want it structurally the same as my other Depos. But I haven’t gotten that far w him,” Hutchinson said.

“Does that make sense,” she asked.

“Yeah that all makes sense. I actually agree with Stefan’s approach and think it’s accomplished everyone’s goals. I am happy to tip liz off. And for what it’s worth I don’t think you are close to front in line to testify live But it might be worth asking for the commitment,” Farah responded.

“My guess is Stefan cares about protecting trump. You’re issues were more with meadows and folks around him. And you were simply being honest,” she added.

“Exactly. He doesn’t want me to stonewall the committee now, over this. I think he wants to balance the perception in Trump world if I just go back voluntarily vs. under subpoena,” Hutchinson said.

“But he’s probably going to be a bit less friendly to DG when he talks to him. He prob won’t outright tell him to re-subpoena me, so it may be helpful for DG to throw in (if they’d do that) ‘well if you don’t voluntarily come in, we’re likely reissue a subpoena’,” she added.

Hutchinson said their agreed-upon approach could help to “reconfigure” her “reputation” in the press. She then asked Farah to pass information to Cheney that her and her former lawyer do not plan to fight a subpoena, but that Passantino wants the committee to think they will.

“He talked to DG. Convo was consistent w/ what we discussed. SP told him we’ll need a subpoena to comply, but will ‘need to decide whether we’re going to fight it.’ (We’re def not going to fight it, but he wants the committee to think we will). Ir case you want to pass to LC or DG,” Hutchinson said.

Weeks later, Hutchinson texted Farah she felt like she could “drink myself into a coma.”

“Like I could drink myself into a coma,” Hutchinson responded. Farah said she thought the committee would make her testify live.

“Really?,” Hutchinson asked.

Hutchinson made headlines after testifying before the Jan. 6 committee. She claimed former President Donald Trump lunged for the steering wheel to reroute his car to the Capitol where protesters were gathering on Jan. 6. Sources close to the Secret Service have denied her claims. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: Cassidy Hutchinson Begged Senior Trump Officials For ‘Financial Assistance’ After Being Subpoenaed By J6 Committee)

Hutchinson called the Jan. 6 committee “bs” in a text message obtained exclusively by the Caller and also begged former senior Trump officials for financial assistance and legal help in February 2022 after she was subpoenaed by the committee. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: Text Messages Show Cassidy Hutchinson Referring To January 6 Committee As ‘BS’)

Hutchinson did not respond to a request for comment.

Editor’s Note: This article was updated to clarify which texts were obtained exclusively by the Daily Caller.