Rogan discussed the disagreements between his team and Harris’s campaign in setting up an appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience, saying she was given “an open invitation” to come to his studio in Austin, Texas, whenever she wanted. Former President Donald Trump recently recorded a popular episode for Rogan’s podcast, while the Harris campaign has made it “very difficult” to set up an appearance before the 2024 presidential election.

“The thing is, if I go somewhere, then there’s going to be other people in the room, and they want to control a lot of things, I’m sure, according to the Bret Baier interview on Fox,” Rogan said in the latest episode of his podcast. “Like, people were waving him off. That’s a distraction. People in the room — like, my whole goal with her and with him was ‘just talk. Just sit, have a conversation like a human being.’ You find out things about people, you get a sense of them, at least. A real sense. That was it, I don’t give a f*** what we talk about, I really don’t. I just want to talk to you.”

Rogan was discussing his trouble setting up a Harris interview with comedian Francis Foster and author Konstantin Kisin, who co-host the Triggernometry podcast. Kisin asked Rogan if it was possible that the Harris campaign thinks Rogan supports Trump, to which he replied “I don’t know” and that he identifies as “politically homeless.”

The Joe Rogan Experience then addressed the shift in “the tides of culture” that has occurred over the years, which has affected humans’ “tribal instincts.” He argued that tribalism has hurt the United States and the world as time passes, contending that the Democratic Party, in particular, has gradually opposed freedom of speech.

“The only solution to bad speech is better speech, we’ve always known that,” Rogan said. “But when they had the power over social media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology, and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective that you should have as an educated person that recognizes that everyone has to be able to talk, and we have to figure out who’s right. And you might be wrong. You might be wrong, and you might be clinging to this idea that you’re right, and you’re going to do the whole thing a terrible disservice.”

Rogan revealed Tuesday that while the Harris campaign reached out to possibly be a guest on the podcast following Trump’s appearance, its prerequisites included him traveling to her and the interview being only one hour long. The host, known for talking to his guests for multiple hours, wrote on X that he feels it is best to do his interviews in his own studio and that he “really” hopes he and the Harris campaign can make the interview happen.

Also, for the record the Harris campaign has not passed on doing the podcast. They offered a date for Tuesday, but I would have had to travel to her and they only wanted to do an hour. I strongly feel the best way to do it is in the studio in Austin. My sincere wish is to just…

— Joe Rogan (@joerogan) October 29, 2024

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Trump’s interview with Rogan was uploaded late Friday and has so far amassed over 40 million views on YouTube and over 17 million views on X. The former president has made multiple podcast appearances ahead of the 2024 election in a bid to reach out to younger male voters.

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH), Trump’s running mate, is also set to appear on The Joe Rogan Experience.